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Interpreting serial number from 1911 Colt inherited from my father

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#1 · (Edited)
My Uncle Bill passed away in 1986, and he was a PFC in the US Army during World War II. After his death, my Aunt Audrey gave my dad Uncle Bill's 1911 Colt 45, which my dad always affectionately referred to as "Sam". I was only 8 years old then, but I remember my dad grumbling about the paperwork he had to do to register "Sam" in Michigan. Getting Bill's death certificate, etc. I do recall my dad finally getting a little green "safety inspection certificate" for the gun. Years later, in 2006, my dad I and I started inventorying all the guns we had, and I recorded the serial number from "Sam" as 331261.

Sadly, my dad passed away unexpectedly in late July of this year. My dad wanted me to have Sam, so I took the 1911 to a gunsmith that is also an FFL. I've filled out the Michigan RI-060 form before, which is a firearm sales record and can be easily used for in-family transfers, especially when the recipient has a CPL (my dad, mom, and I all have valid Michigan CPLs). The gunsmith said I was wrong about the serial number and the 1's were actually hash marks, not 1's, so the serial number was really 3326.

In talking to another gunsmith, he told me the previous gunsmith was mistaken, and that the serial number is really 331261 as I originally suspected in 2006. When I look at it, I cannot tell. The "1" or "|" character appears to be in a different typeface/font than the other digits, and also not quite aligned with the other digits. My mom already turned in the RI-060 form to transfer my dad's guns to herself, so she can then legally transfer them to my brother and me. The form was turned in with 3326 as the serial number, not 331261. We cannot locate the green safety certificate my dad received in 1986/87, or we would've relied on that for the serial number's correctness because in those days, you had to take the gun to the police station to receive a "safety inspection". That is no longer required; you simply drop the RI-060 in the dropbox in your municipality's police station.

Attached are pictures of the 1911. Is anyone able to definitively confirm whether the serial is 3326 or 331261? If we need to make a correction with the Michigan State Police, I'd rather do it sooner than later, especially since the RI-060 form explicitly states making a materially false statement on the form is a felony, which is a rather serious matter and includes a lifetime ban on gun ownership.

I tried scouring Google for how to interpret marks in Colt serial numbers but found nothing definitive about the number "1" and how it may be written. When looking at the serial number the "1" or "|" appears to be punched much deeper than the other numbers, and is not consistent with how the number "1" appears on both sides of the slide (those pics also included below).

I just want to be sure we have the correct serial number so we can make the necessary corrections if we did it wrong.

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Thank you. I'm going to reprint the RI-060 form with the correct serial number. I called my mom and let her know I would bring it to her for her signature on my lunch break, then I'll take it right over to the police station. I've heard that it takes a couple weeks for police departments to process them before the forms get sent to the Michigan State Police. The form was just turned in yesterday, so I should be able to get the incorrect one back and give them the correct one in its place.

I'm baffled why the gunsmith I originally spoke with said the serial was 3326 and not 331261, unless he really thought those funky-looking 1's weren't a part of the serial.
 
#3 ·
The serial number is correct, 331261. Colt's numbering machine was putting out pretty funny-looking 1's back then.
 
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That means that when my Uncle Bill served in WWII, he must've gotten this gun as a hand-me-down from previous soldiers. I've heard that sidearms were often reserved for officers; my Uncle Bill was honorably discharged as Private First Class (PFC); he was never an officer. Since I was just a youngster when he died, I never got to hear any stories of his time in the service, although a lot of veterans don't talk about their time in wars. Nevertheless I wonder how Uncle Bill was able to keep the gun after his discharge. I recall my dad being concerned about the "United States property" stamped on the side, but Michigan never gave him any trouble registering it.
 
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I've never heard of someone using that kind of numbering scheme, but I would ASSume it would all be part of the number. For example Colt used numbers like 328000-C where the entire thing, including the dash symbol was part of the number.
 
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@Upinarms I'm looking forward to getting the Archive Letter from Colt. I ordered that a few weeks ago; the website says roughly 5-6 month turnaround. When it asked for the serial number then, I put in "33|26|" since that's what I knew at the time from the original gunsmith. I had to submit three pictures (the same three in my OP), so I'm sure they'll figure it out and I would imagine come to the same conclusion you did regarding the manufacture/shipping date. Those are some of the details that are supposed to be included in the Archive Letter, and that'll be something nice to frame and keep next to the gun itself. It'll be nice to be able to show that kind of history.
 
#16 ·
Many people often question how a GI was able to bring a weapon home, a U.S. weapon or a "War Prize" weapon. I suspect, back in the day, when thousands of GIs were coming home (whole ships full) a close inspection of duffle bags and footlockers were often not performed or were so quick and superficial that getting a 1911 home was easy. Tales of servicemen getting Japanese rifles home were common. Where there is a will, there is a way. Commissioned Officers and Privates alike were able to get one home, I'm sure many got caught or got cold feet and tossed the weapon overboard, but obviously many didn't.

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#20 ·
It's interesting you mention this. My father-in-law, several years ago, showed me a pistol he inherited from his dad. I don't recall what it was, but it was different looking than any others I had seen. He explained that the pistol is one his dad, serving in WWII, took off of a Nazi. He intends for me to inherit the pistol after he's gone, but now I want to query him about it, and get more information before those stories are lost forever.
 
#17 ·
Pistols weren't necessarily issued only to officers, some MOSs, like mortarmen, machinegunners, etc. were also issued pistols, as they couldn't carry the main weapon AND a rifle, and needed some kind of protection. Tankers were also issued pistols, as were aircrew, and others, I'm sure. Truck drivers usually got some form of long gun (and were essential, as armies march on food and supplies delivered by those trucks).
Long after WWII, I was a PFC on a mortar crew, and was issued a 1911 as my primary, as were the others in our platoon, along with the machine gunners in the line swine platoons. Troops were also known to purloin, borrow, or otherwise aquire a pistol, especially paratroopers. It was more of a security blanket than a useful tool, but comfort comes where you find it.
 
#19 ·
The pistol went to France in WWI and was most likely re-issued for WWII, but without refinishing, which would have been Parkerizing at that time. This was because the pistol had its original finish in excellent condition so there was no need to overhaul it. From there its all guesswork how a Private got it but after 80 years of use and handling, its no wonder the blue is mostly gone.
 
#21 · (Edited)
I appreciate everyone's feedback and condolences for my dad. Thank you. He faced a lot of health struggles but he has gone home to the Lord, and I know he's in a better place.

I filled out a new RI-060 for my mom to sign, and ran it over to the Roseville police department to talk to the folks in Records. I spoke with a very pleasant lady there who was happy to help. She found the original RI-060 with 3326, and took the updated one with 331261, along with the close-up picture of the serial number, and conferred with a police officer there. After performing a lookup in the MiPistol database, we were all in alignment that indeed 331261 is the correct serial number, and the incorrect form was never recorded (and subsequently shredded). Felony averted! 😂