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New S&W 586-7 Range Report/pics/problems

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#1 · (Edited)
I picked up my new S&W M586-7 a few days ago. This is a piece from one of S&W's special runs. It's a blued carbon steel version with a 7 shot cylinder and a 4" barrel. It also has some very comfortable and attractive walnut stocks. A real beauty (see attached pics). I've had my eye on it for the last month or so and finally bought one before they were all gone.

Since this is Kalifornia I had a 10 day wait. During that time, the chain sporting goods store that I purchased it from brought in a new gun from their warehouse rather than sell their display model. When I came in to pick up my gun, I inspected it only to find that the blueing on the cylinder was really dull/crappy and wouldn't polish up. There was also a small ding on the barrel. I refused to take posession. The store manager agreed with me and was willing to send out for another one. No problem. Then I asked to inspect the display model (the one I had originally fallen in love with). It was nearly perfect so I said I'd accept that gun instead of waiting and taking my chances with another blind replacement. Done deal.

The finish/blueing on my gun is top notch S&W that nearly rivals my Python's, though not quite. Still, the gun seems very sturdy and lock up is tight. I know some have objections to the 7 shot cylinder, but I actually like it. I also appreciate the full under lug. It gives the 4" barrel some heft and helps tame recoil.

The trigger is something else again. I'm not sure if I like it or not. Unlike the traditional smooth single stage pull on my M29-2, the 586 has a target 2 stage pull. It's very smooth (and a bit heavy) during the first stage while the cylinder rotates and locks up with a solid "click". Then there's a short take up with no cylinder movement before the trigger lets go - almost like single action mode. It takes a bit of getting used to. In real single action mode, the let-off is classic S&W - about 2 lbs.

Oh yeah, the 586 has the new #@!!%&* frame lock.

RANGE REPORT

I took it out for a spin this afternoon at my local indoor range. 1 box each of Federal 130gr. fmj .38 special, Fiocchi 158 gr. fmj 38 special, and PMC 158 gr. sjsp .357. 150 rounds total.

The first thing I noticed was that the gun shot low. Very low. Over 2" low at 7 yards. I spent the next 30 rounds or so adjusting the rear sight. Eventually making over two complete turns of the elevation screw to correct the problem. Horizontal POI was dead on.

Function was perfect with the first box of .38 specials. But after about 10 rounds of .357 I had a FTF (light primer strike). Then another one about 10 rounds later. And finally, the cylinder locked up. I could clear the lock up by opening the cylinder and closing it again. Well, being inexperienced with the new freaking frame lock, I had assumed that since the gun was engaging when I dry fired it, that the lock was disengaged. My fault for not checking when I brought it home. I finally unloaded and inserted the special "magic" key only to find that the lock was not turned all the way to the "click" unlocked position. I fixed the problem and continued my range session with no more incidents. The gun ran perfectly with no FTF's in either single action or double action - full power loads or .38's. Still, I am not a fan of this new "safety" thing-a-ma-jig.

By the time I got done sorting through all the various problems, I had only about 80 assorted rounds left. Even though my concentration was shot by now, and I was still getting used to the sights and trigger, the gun shot extremely well. Groups (offhand) at 15 yds. (5 shots) averaged around 2" (good for me) and were POA/POI even with .357's. My best 25 yard group was 2.5" (about as well as I can shoot) with .38 specials. Full power loads tended to open up quite a bit horizontally but not vertically. Operator flinch, I think.

All in all, the gun is beautiful, well balanced, fun to shoot and accurate. The full lug barrel makes full loads very manageable and .38's are a breeze. Glad I bought it.

In a couple of weeks I'll take it out again and shoot it side by side with my Colt Python and compare.
 
#3 ·
Bluto,

Handsome gun. I really prefer the blued guns to stainless myself. To me, stainless guns seem to lack a "soul".

FWIW - Try Winchester Super-X 125gr JHP and 158gr JSP .357 Mags for accuracy. You'll likely find that one or the other of those weights shoots the tightest groups in your gun. My Model 649 prefers 125gr JHPs .357 Magnum with .38 Silvertips a close second. I think the 6" barrel will probably prefer the 158gr loads. Just my $0.02 worth.

Enjoy your new gun and thanks for the range report!
 
#4 ·
Beautiful grips. I love my 686-4 6" w/ the 7shot cylinder I have the older no lock/firing pin on hammer. The trigger staging and short gearing on the 7shot 586/686 is what I like about this particular gun. SA is incredible. My wife liked my 686 so much she bought the 2.5" snubby version (newer version w/ case lock and transfer bar firing pin). I barely notice any difference between the two and my wife is dead on w/ her gun. Interestingly enough, she used to carry a PPKS .380 and she shoots her 686 better and more confidently. Because of the 686 she is now able to shoot my 629 .44 magnum which she would have never done a year ago. I think my wife ordered the same style grips for her M66 4" . I am curious to see how they feel.

You did good in getting the model you fell in love with. I like the underlug so much on the 586/686 so that what made me seek the MagnaClassic 629 recently got. That underlug really makes a difference in aiming and recoil.
 
#5 ·
Thanks for the comments.

I've always liked Smith's and think everyone should have one of their models in .357. Revolvers, especially, are attractive with all the curves and machining of the cylinder. And the added bonus of good looking wood grips doesn't hurt. S&W's in particular are like pieces of art in some cases. It's fun to just look at them.

I wish my 586 had the old style firing pin on the hammer and no frame lock. But I'll be happy as long as I don't experience any more problems with the lock binding up the hammer.

Ninjato, both the 2" 686 and the Magna Classic are fantastic guns. Glad you enjoy them.

BillCA, I picked up some light .38 specials and will try a few 158 jsp loads per your recommendation.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Turner's right?

I was at the Clairmont store today and couldn't help but handle the gun again. Almost bought it last month but ended up with a 25MG. Anyway, I gave it back before I break down. I still prefer that the gun be a 6 shooter but dang it's so pretty.

About the action, like most NIB Smiths regardless of vintage it can stand a few hundred dry fires (thousands even better). While the trigger will not be lighter, it will be smoother. Of course if you know your way inside a S&W wheelie you can accelerate this process by polishing the sides of the hammer, the hammer stud, the rebound slide, and the parts of the frame that rub against the above parts. You can even remove the lock (5 pieces) and not affect the function of the gun at all.

Great gun. COongrats
 
#8 ·
Yep, Turner's. I was in the Clairmont store (San Diego) today, too. Congrats on the M25MG. That's one fine gun. Never shot a .45 Colt, but I handled a MG the other day. A classic. What's it shoot like?

I don't know my way around the inside of a S&W, But I may have to learn if that dang frame lock becomes bothersome.
 
#9 ·
bluto said:
Yep, Turner's. I was in the Clairmont store (San Diego) today, too. Congrats on the M25MG. That's one fine gun. Never shot a .45 Colt, but I handled a MG the other day. A classic. What's it shoot like?

I don't know my way around the inside of a S&W, But I may have to learn if that dang frame lock becomes bothersome.
Get The Smith & Wesson Revolver gunsmithing book by Jerry Kuhnhausen. It's an excellent book to learn how to fine tune any S&W.

S&W's are not hard to make into a smooth action but it does take time and patience. :)
 
#11 ·
Yep, Turner's. I was in the Clairmont store (San Diego) today, too. Congrats on the M25MG. That's one fine gun. Never shot a .45 Colt, but I handled a MG the other day. A classic. What's it shoot like?
The 25 shoots great! The combination of low pressure loads and short bbl results in considerable velocity loss. At least in my experience. I was using loads that were supposed to go in the 900s out of 7.5" service length bbls.

Once you gather enough courage, I recommend that you get that book that BillCA mentioned and learn the insides of a Smith wheelie. It's pretty simple and giving the gun a nice $80-$100 action job with spring swaps requires no more tools than new springs from Wolff, a coupla screwdrivers and a fine stone.
 
#13 ·
antediluvianist said:
"the let-off is classic S&W - about 2 lbs."

Hmm... I thought my 686Plus's SA let-off was pretty good at 3 lbs. Thanks. Must look into this.
I know it can be 3lbs on my 686. I mean it is "blow on it" light. Just the intention of pulling the trigger will break the trigger on my 686 but hooks up tight and doesn't slip. My 629 Magna Classic is even better. It makes me never want to shoot my Pythons. I have a 4", 6" and 8" Python and those triggers don't really do it for me. It is different but to tell you the truth, I like the triggers on my 2 Ruger GP100's better. They are a little heavier than the S&W triggers but feel very similar. The Colt has that heavy stacking at the end which can get irritating.
 
#14 · (Edited)
antediluvianist said:
"the let-off is classic S&W - about 2 lbs."

Hmm... I thought my 686Plus's SA let-off was pretty good at 3 lbs. Thanks. Must look into this.
I'm sure you must be right. I stand corrected. I was only estimating by comparing it to the Jewel trigger on my Harris M86 rifle that is set to 2 lbs. The two seem about the same to me. Light as a feather. And my 586 is similar to, but maybe a little lighter than my M29-2. If 3 lbs. is the standard then it sure feels great.
 
#15 ·
SnWnMe said:
The 25 shoots great! The combination of low pressure loads and short bbl results in considerable velocity loss. At least in my experience. I was using loads that were supposed to go in the 900s out of 7.5" service length bbls.

Once you gather enough courage, I recommend that you get that book that BillCA mentioned and learn the insides of a Smith wheelie. It's pretty simple and giving the gun a nice $80-$100 action job with spring swaps requires no more tools than new springs from Wolff, a coupla screwdrivers and a fine stone.
If you reload, you can make a .45 Colt load that will push a 200 gr. XTP JHP to around 1000 fps from a 3" tube. That would be excellent for defense use from the short barrel. Expect about 45-60 fps change per 1" change in barrel length, depending on powder speed, charge, etc.

Using slightly faster powders can make better use of the short tube than the typical slow burning powders do. I'm in process of buying a 3" 625 full lug in .45 Colt. So I'm going to hit my reloading books to come up with something good for the 3" tube.

And I totally agree with you about learning the ins and outs of the S&W revolver... they're really so simple and easy to work on once you get past the initial hesitation to dive in there. Plus it's really nice to understand the inner workings of these magnificent revos.

bluto: magnificent revo, my man, just gorgeous! I need more blue Smiths!
 
#16 ·
I wish they still made the 586 as a regular production gun, and that it still came with the old wood grips, not the crappy rubber ones they come with now. My brother has a 586 back in the 80's that was one of the easiest to shoot and most accurate handguns I have ever fired. My 686 from a few years back, however, was somewhat of a disappointment. Not particularly accurate (possibly partially because of the crappy thin rubber grips)--just never wowed me. My brother's $199 cabelas black powder pistol would actually outshoot it, which was sad. Also, the very light trigger was great for range work, but not so good for hunting in NY winters where cold numb fingers get involved--it'd go off when you didn't want it to if you weren't careful.

Handsome gun you got there though--I always like the blued better than the stainless in that model, and nice to see the wood grips.
 
#19 ·
:bawling: So purdy...brings a tear to the eye :biglaugh: Wow!
 
#20 ·
Hey Bluto
Thanks for the help
After a lot phone calls and being left on hold for ever I have one being shipped to my local FFL here on Long Island.....Cant wait
I had to have the owner of the gunshop I go to make all the calls for me because they kept telling me I had to be a California resident to purchase one :confused: .....but I'm glade I did because I got a great deal on it
you dont want to know :rock:
 
#21 ·
Great! Glad to hear you got ahold of one. You'll love it.

It figures that you'd be able to get one shipped across country to a different FFL retailer for less than I paid for it on sale here in Kalifornia. And I bought it at a place that usually has some of the best prices going. Sheesh, what a state. But good for you!

Looking forward to a range report when you get it. I think I'm taking mine out for a side by side comparison with my Python tomorrow.
 
#22 ·
That is one very nice handgun!! I used to be into S&W revelovers in a big way, but lost interest. Seeing that one makes me want another. I'm very impressed! Sadly, it also brings back memories of all the neat Smiths that I've had and stupidly got rid of. Models 15,17,18,24,27,29,57.... excuse me, I'm gonna go hit myself in the head with a hammer!!!!
 
#23 · (Edited)
bluto... beautiful 586 you've got there!

I've been jonsing for a 581/586 4" for a while now and seeing that gorgeous one of yours just gave me a little more incentive to move on it.

I found it yesterday! A 586-1 with 4" barrel that looks practically brand new in the box. $400. Needless to say, I jumped on it right away! I hope to pick up the 586 in next few days.

I've got a number of really fine Smiths... all stainless. But there's nothing like a blued Smith! This will certainly help make my heart race nicely. I'll post some pics when I can.