I love 1911s (obviously), but I want to get another 10mm that is metal framed and not plastic. I thought maybe I should try and branch out and look at the p220 Legion 10mm. Anyone know anything about the P220 10mm and how it feels compared to a traditional government sized 1911? Thanks!
P220 Legion 10MM or 1911 Colt Delta Elite 10MM
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My vote for the Legion… If you find one and aren’t sure you like the trigger in the shop buy it anyway.
It just needs adjusted, and it’s very easy to do.
When I bought my first Legion in 2016 when they first came out, Sig was paying attention to the trigger adjustment because it was a new model and they wanted everybody to feel how good that trigger was in the shop as a motivating factor to buy.
Now that the legions have an awesome reputation, I’ve noticed almost every Legion I’ve tried in the shop now most of them the triggers aren’t really set well from the factory.
It’s a very easy process with the slide off one screw takes less than five minutes and you’ll have the best damn factory trigger on the planet.
Mark my words.
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I have owned both, on the colt I added a heavy mag well, full size guide rod, trigger job, the sig nothing. I loved both of them, I also had a Springfield TRP 5 inch loved it too, I would have a hard time picking one!
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RIA 10mm Commander
RIA 10mm Tac Ultra FS
Delta Elite from Night Hawk
RIA 10mm Tac Ultra FS
Delta Elite from Night Hawk
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I too like 1911s and 10mms, and I like the SIG. You may be overlooking what might be the best option, the Tanfoglio Witness series.
Excellent ergonomics, trigger, and sights right out of the box. Mine is the Elite, and has perfect record on reliability over 6 yrs. and thousands of rounds,, 14 rd. magazines, plus it is a handsome gun with a very tough , nearly wear-proof finish. If you are unfamiliar with them, they are based on the CZ 75, second only to the 1911 as my favorite pistol platform.
The base models are very serviceable, but I recommend you look at something in the $1000 range, or up if you're feeling flush.
This is what the Bren 10 should have been. I daresay if Col. Cooper were still with us, he would carry one.
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I bought one of the Taylor's 10 last year too, based on forum comments. Definitely the best money I ever spent on a 1911, wish I had bought 2, or 3.Can't speak to the Legion, but I do have (& love!) a P220 Match Elite-Reverse 10mm.
Reading the OP's post, my initial thought was that the P220 ME was a considerably heavier pistol than my two 10mm 1911s, an early Kimber EC2 & a Taylor's & Company (Rock Island) FS Tactical, but empty....
Sig P220 ME-R: 39.1 oz
Kimber EC2: 38 oz.
Taylor's FS Tact: 40 oz
Accuracy wise, it's a push between the Sig (in s/a) & Kimber, with the T & Co. coming in a very respectable 2nd. Regarding dependability, all three have & continue to run flawlessly ... and all three are a joy to shoot. All that said & at the risk of being thrown off the forum, I'd be remiss if I failed to mention the Glock 20 & 40 MOS, both of which are (also) excellent shooters
What USARV72 said!
I picked up the Taylor's & Co 1911 from PSA for a mere $379 & without a doubt, it is the best money I have ever spent.
After ditching the flared magwell & some tweaking - springs, MSH, grip panels, etc...
If I were going to a Sig I would want the DA/SA option. I sometimes carry in a belt slide and the safety can come off with a lot of motion. Anything Sig is good, most are great. IMHO
I have the Delta Elite and the DW Razorback, both in 10MM of course. I like them. Can’t go wrong with Colt or Dan Wesson as far as I’m concerned. Nothing wrong with the Legion either. SIG makes fine firearms as well. IMO.
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I have a Delta Gold cup 10mm and the SIG Legion P220 10mm. I like them both for different reasons, but if I were forced to only have one......the Legion P220 would be the one.
It's just so much more comfortable to shoot, and feels like it would last forever. By comparison, every shot with the colt is jarring, and leaves me wondering if each shot will be its last. It's very low round count, all original and Ive pretty much decided to put it in its box and keep it that way and shoot the P220.
It's just so much more comfortable to shoot, and feels like it would last forever. By comparison, every shot with the colt is jarring, and leaves me wondering if each shot will be its last. It's very low round count, all original and Ive pretty much decided to put it in its box and keep it that way and shoot the P220.
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I bought the Sig P220 Elite in 10mm when they first came out. The most solid and reliable 1911 I’ve ever shot. Built like a tank but handles like a Porsche
I'm confused. SIG makes some nice 1911s but the P220 is not one of them. The P220 is an entirely different platform. Which one are you talking about ?
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Can't go wrong with a Sig P220. I've got one in 45acp thought my other 45's are metal frames except my HK USP45
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If its SAO some refer to it similarly as a 1911 as controls are similar.
It’s 1911esq but I agree, it’s technically not a 1911.
I can't abide DA/SA, but suspect 90% of such pistols are never shot in that mode.
If you're looking for a range gun, and the SIG tickles your fancy, go for it.
I'm not a fan of making the shooting of handguns any more difficult than necessary, and both DA/SA and the higher bore line most such guns have, make shooting more difficult.
If you're looking for a range gun, and the SIG tickles your fancy, go for it.
I'm not a fan of making the shooting of handguns any more difficult than necessary, and both DA/SA and the higher bore line most such guns have, make shooting more difficult.
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Love my 10mm. I was introduced to 10mm when the chief of my agency made the Glock 20, 10mm, the issue weapon of the department immediately after the FBI endorsed it, before they wimped out. I was drafted to assist the armorer transition our agency 120+ sworn personel to the Glock and to 10mm. That said I have run through a few thousand rounds of 10mm. I like it.
After I retired I got away from shooting for a while, then after a few years really got to wanting another 1911. I was in my local gun store checking out the various 1911 .45acp in the display when I spotted a stainless steel model, with rubber grips and a red delta symbol on those grips. My mind was made up when I saw it was a 10mm, Delta Elite. It has been a most frequent carry gun ever since.
I got more and more into shooting again and not being a real Glock lover, wanting to add a gun to supplement my FN Browning HP, I stumbled across a Sig Sauer P226 Elite. It not only felt good, it looked really good. It still does when I pull it out. A while later I saw a similar Sig in the gun store. It was a Sig P220...That was an immediate sale, Elite version (stainless steel w/ rosewood grips). It too felt and looked great.
I put a few hundred rounds, mainly Federal and Seller Bellot ball through the p 220. It performed flawlessly. As someone said, it is not a discrete carry weapon, but I've carried all steel weapons all my career, so I didn't mind that.
The problem arose when I attempted to load heavier S&B 180 JHP into a magazine. It wouldn't work. 180 gr ball was no problem, but the JHP simply would not feed into the magazine. I had 5 magazines, all Sig Sauer manufacture. I tried other brands of ammo, including Sig Sauer 180gr JHP, none would feed into the magazine. The next step was to contact Sig Sauer direct. I spoke with a rep and explained the problem. He claimed to have never heard of such a problem, but was willing to set up me returning my pistol to Sig, along with the magazines for their engineers to check it. Before I did that I decided to do some more online checking. I found a board where this very same problem was being discussed, loading heavier JHPs into Sig P 220 magazines. The thread was several years old. I found that several had encountered the same problem. One gent had fallen for the return to Sig, where the pistol sat for 6 months with no response, until he finally demanded it back. It seems the tollerances in the magazine design are so tight that a heavier JHP (180 gr) is too nose wide to fit. The extra weight of the projectile has to so somewhere, so the bullet is fatterfarther towards the nose than the lighter loads. The lighter weight JHPs would feed all day long with no problems.
After all my research I was no longer happy with the weapon or with Sig Sauer. This old man does not like being lied to as the representative did. The simple truth from the rep might have been different. After the pandemic started to wind down and things were opening up, and dealers were getting desperate for guns to sell, I offered to sell my P220 back to Bud's. They asked how much I wanted and I quoted them what I had paid for it. There was no haggling, they sent me the shipping information immediately.
I still have and carry that Delta Elite. Should I decide I have to have another 10mm for some reason, Ruger and Springfield both make good 1911 style 10mm pistols.
After I retired I got away from shooting for a while, then after a few years really got to wanting another 1911. I was in my local gun store checking out the various 1911 .45acp in the display when I spotted a stainless steel model, with rubber grips and a red delta symbol on those grips. My mind was made up when I saw it was a 10mm, Delta Elite. It has been a most frequent carry gun ever since.
I got more and more into shooting again and not being a real Glock lover, wanting to add a gun to supplement my FN Browning HP, I stumbled across a Sig Sauer P226 Elite. It not only felt good, it looked really good. It still does when I pull it out. A while later I saw a similar Sig in the gun store. It was a Sig P220...That was an immediate sale, Elite version (stainless steel w/ rosewood grips). It too felt and looked great.
I put a few hundred rounds, mainly Federal and Seller Bellot ball through the p 220. It performed flawlessly. As someone said, it is not a discrete carry weapon, but I've carried all steel weapons all my career, so I didn't mind that.
The problem arose when I attempted to load heavier S&B 180 JHP into a magazine. It wouldn't work. 180 gr ball was no problem, but the JHP simply would not feed into the magazine. I had 5 magazines, all Sig Sauer manufacture. I tried other brands of ammo, including Sig Sauer 180gr JHP, none would feed into the magazine. The next step was to contact Sig Sauer direct. I spoke with a rep and explained the problem. He claimed to have never heard of such a problem, but was willing to set up me returning my pistol to Sig, along with the magazines for their engineers to check it. Before I did that I decided to do some more online checking. I found a board where this very same problem was being discussed, loading heavier JHPs into Sig P 220 magazines. The thread was several years old. I found that several had encountered the same problem. One gent had fallen for the return to Sig, where the pistol sat for 6 months with no response, until he finally demanded it back. It seems the tollerances in the magazine design are so tight that a heavier JHP (180 gr) is too nose wide to fit. The extra weight of the projectile has to so somewhere, so the bullet is fatterfarther towards the nose than the lighter loads. The lighter weight JHPs would feed all day long with no problems.
After all my research I was no longer happy with the weapon or with Sig Sauer. This old man does not like being lied to as the representative did. The simple truth from the rep might have been different. After the pandemic started to wind down and things were opening up, and dealers were getting desperate for guns to sell, I offered to sell my P220 back to Bud's. They asked how much I wanted and I quoted them what I had paid for it. There was no haggling, they sent me the shipping information immediately.
I still have and carry that Delta Elite. Should I decide I have to have another 10mm for some reason, Ruger and Springfield both make good 1911 style 10mm pistols.
I don't buy that explanation.
I'm loading 220 grain bullets to the same 1.26" OAL as every other bullet I've used, from 135 grains, and when loaded, I can't tell how much the bullet weighs unless I look at how deeply the base of the bullet is seated in the case.
"Tolerances are too tight" to accept popular factory ammo?
I'm loading 220 grain bullets to the same 1.26" OAL as every other bullet I've used, from 135 grains, and when loaded, I can't tell how much the bullet weighs unless I look at how deeply the base of the bullet is seated in the case.
"Tolerances are too tight" to accept popular factory ammo?
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My sentiments exactly.
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I've got a Delta Elite that I bought new in 1986 and still love it. I had a Videcki trigger put in and the action tuned up then. Since then I've had Novak sights installed and that's it. The new ones have the enhanced slide. That's a plus.The Sig is probably great also but I like a 1911 platform.
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Let me clear up some confusion here.
First, the OP did not ask for a comparison of 1911 to the Sig 220. He specifically asked about the Delta Elite and the Sig LEGION 220. Huge difference!
The “regular” Sig 220 is an alloy frame gun weighing in at 1 pound 12 ounces.
The SiG Legion is an all steel gun at 2 pounds 10 ounces, almost a pound heavier! It is a beast!
Both guns weighed without mags.
This Legion is meant to shoot hot loads all day everyday. The Delta does not give me that warm and fuzzy feeling in spite of me being a 1911 fanboy.
My apologies for not stating these facts in my original response. I just answered the question. I should have known there may be some confusion since we are talking about a ‘“220”.
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First, the OP did not ask for a comparison of 1911 to the Sig 220. He specifically asked about the Delta Elite and the Sig LEGION 220. Huge difference!
The “regular” Sig 220 is an alloy frame gun weighing in at 1 pound 12 ounces.
The SiG Legion is an all steel gun at 2 pounds 10 ounces, almost a pound heavier! It is a beast!
Both guns weighed without mags.
This Legion is meant to shoot hot loads all day everyday. The Delta does not give me that warm and fuzzy feeling in spite of me being a 1911 fanboy.
My apologies for not stating these facts in my original response. I just answered the question. I should have known there may be some confusion since we are talking about a ‘“220”.
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You’re right. The single action only P220 Elite just feels and shoots like a 1911.
I stand corrected
I stand corrected
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I agree 100%, have loaded 10 mm with bullet weights up to 200 also to the listed COL and they function in my RIA and Ed Brown 10 mm magazines. The ogive on the bullets causing problems in your Sig magazines should be checked. The magazines may need to be “ adjusted”?
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