good info, and shooting.

 

I can't tell the difference, in carbon fouling, with 230gr syntech. But, it is as good as any other ammo I've tried. You can find it on sale occasionally.

 

So much powder in 45acp you can only do so much

 

Very nice shooting.


I really, really, really like that pistol. The date stamped is less than a week from my own birthday.



If I add a railed monster to the pack, I'm going to to consider the DW Specialist first and foremost.

Good writeup on the ammo, too.


I don't mind cleaning guns. It's a relaxing way to wind down an afternoon. That being said...there's not always time allowed to do such.

 

You missed a centerpiece of Syntech Match 9 mm ammo line which is their 150 grain load. Super soft, very accurate and beats all other premium and more expensive match ammo options such as Atlanta Arms or ASYM.

Unfortunately, people found that out and it is very hard to get these days. Places that still have it charge 50% premium over its regular price.

 

You missed a centerpiece of Syntech Match 9 mm ammo line which is their 150 grain load. Super soft, very accurate and beats all other premium and more expensive match ammo options such as Atlanta Arms or ASYM.

Absolutely not true, however, I wish it was. Out of a barrel fixture, Ransom or H.E.G. rest I've never seen a coated bullet outperform Hornady XTP/HAP 115gr/124 gr at 50 yards with at least 10 shots. Coated bullets usually underperform their non-coated swaged counterparts at subsonic velocities and target distances. 9mm also gets squirrelly at 50 yards if the bullets don't stay supersonic or worse transition en route.

Atlanta Arms 9mm match ammunition (AMU) load is typically the most accurate factory 9mm produced (in general) up to and including 50 yards given differences in pistols/barrels, which can dramatically affect performance. What is often the issue is fast twist barrels, which are not ideal (1:16 and faster) with AA AMU. The 1:18 and better 1:32 was designed in conjunction with the load between KKM and the USAMU. FWIW ASYM is not what it once was unfortunately. Something changed, not sure what. I've seen better results with Browning Performance Target 9mm, which is pretty terrific stuff given the low price and more often than I would like to admit.

As a distinguished and military precision pistol shooter I can't get behind any of this until I see proof. It's tough to get sub 1" 10 shot 50 yard groups, and I've not seen any with coated bullets yet. Not only are zero of the top precision pistol teams using it, but there no precision pistol focused Gunsmith is testing full builds with it either, and that should be an indicator.

 

Thanks for posting. Hope I can find some here in ****ty Kalifornia

 

As an aside I bought some of Ammo Valley’s reloads that use the polymer coated bullets and will add that it seems to make cleaning things much easier, the barrels in particular.

But i’ll add that the ammo seems to have a lot more pop to the rounds more like a +P round , but they seem to shoot accurately enough and at $8.24 per 50 they’re certainly cheap enough w/o any issues encountered over the 1000rds I bought.

 

The pop is all about how they load it. I'm not familiar with Ammo Valley, but If they load it hot, it will have more "pop".

All of the RANGE Syntech I have shot so far, has been super soft shooting. The MATCH is loaded to match the performance of their Standard Pressure HST line. Which has as you say, more "pop". But none feel like a +P lod to me.

 

Brownells got some 150 grain in stock for a normal price plus 10% discount, plus free shipping. I ordered 2500 and thinking of ordering more.

 

I bought the 147gr MATCH Syntec for my suppressed guns. I'm sure the 150 will be nice for that, but I like that the 147gr MATCH ammo is consistently loaded. I ran 10 rounds suppressed through my Glcok 19 with an RMR yesterday when I went shooting with my wife. I put the first 6 rounds in one ragged hole at 8 yards. I got if for $10.99 a box of 50.

I'm sure I will give the 150 gr a try sometime.

 

I am going completely off memory but I think their 147 is 1000 fps, while 150 is 800-something, making it a total pussycat to shoot.

 

I love the stuff. Used to use it all the time. I have switched to Fenix.

I used the Syntech two seasons ago in my league and scored league highs week after week.

And yes....your gun will be less filthy.

If you are the dude at the range that cleans his guns after every range trip, don’t bother. But if you are that guy and don’t want to be that guy anymore, I do think this ammo shoots a lot cleaner.

 

I notice some of you guys mention you have been shooting Syntech for years etc. It has been a round for a few years for sure. But not in it's current iteration of RANGE & MATCH ammo. I have seen the Syntech in 9mm for a while in 150gr and 130gr loadings. I'm not certain if these older variants of Syntech used clean burning powders of not. The polymer coating is the same, and that will certainly help with lead and copper fouling of the barrel, but the new RANGE and MATCH definitely incorporate clean burning propellants.

 

I shoot in a local Bullseye league. I have been using a Walther Q5 the last two years. Our course of fire included 50 shots as 15, 25, 50 and 75 ft. Strong hand, weak hand and two hands.

I have experimented extensively with all types of ammo trying to find the best possible and most accurate mix. While some rounds get better groups for sure, the impact on my scores are very minor. I have been the top shooter the last three years but people are catching up.Three years ago I would win with scores in the 440s out of 500. Then I needed 470s. Last year I had to average in the 480s with scores in the 490s. So I look for any little but I can get.

I generally find that 147 grain ammo shoots better groups and feels softer. Atlanta Arms is great but not worth the extra $ for the most part for me.

What I have done is use cheaper target ammo at 15 and 25 ft and then use match ammo at the longer distances.

 

I also do local stuff mostly for the ego boost, I don't notice any difference at all inside 25 yards with any ammo. I use anything from 115 reman to HSTs and they all group the same out of a given gun.

 

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Sorry it too so long to get these up. Flickr was down for a few days and I was traveling.

First I ran a box of the 147gr MATCH Syntech through my suppressed Glock 19. The box states the 147gr MATCH round leaves the muzzle at 1000 fps. I'm guessing the test gun they base that figure on is 4" to 5" barrel. I can confirm all 50 rounds were subsonic through my G19 with the suppressor attached.


My Suppressed Glock 19 that I ran the Syntech 147gr MATCH ammo through:

Clearly my RMR is not sighted in for this round. But my thinking is I will sight it in for the 147gr Syntech MATCH ammo because it is loaded to match the 147gr HST Hollowpoint round which is my favorite suppressed defensive load. On the last shot I did a little Kentucky Windage adjustment. The 147gr Syntech is a nice round to shoot suppressed. It is very soft shooting and there is not much blowback. I tend to run my guns pretty wet, and I have had much worse blowback with other rounds. One of the worst blowback offenders when shooting suppressed is the regular American Eagle 147gr. Though it is subsonic, it has lots of blowback especially with how wet I run my guns.


Though my RMR was not sighted in for the Syntech 147gr MATCH ammo, it is clearly a solid performer:

I also want to show you how clean this ammo runs. I had just done a detail clean of my Glock 48. I took my Glock 48 with me and ran 50 rounds of the Syntech 115gr RANGE ammo through it. After shooting the 100 rounds I field stripped my Glock 48 to examine the internals to see if the ammo ran clean as advertised.


My just cleaned Glock 48 before running Syntech RANGE Ammo through it:

The Internals of my Glock 48 after Shooting 50 Rounds of Syntech 115gr RANGE Ammo. About as clean as it was before I started shooting!

I then ran a magazine of Magtech 115gr FMJ ammo through it, and the gun was properly filthy. I didn't bother to take a bunch of pictureS of my dirty G 48. By all means clean your gun and run 10 rounds of your basic 115gr FMJ range ammo through it and look inside. The Syntech is the cleanest running 9mm ammo I have ever come across and works as advertised. As someone who hates cleaning their guns, but love clean guns, I'm a convert. I will be buying both Syntech RANGE and MATCH ammo going forward. I'm willing to pay an extra $1 or $2 a box to not have to clean my guns as often.

 

That’s some pretty clean ammo. Based on the looks of it, you could probably run 500 rounds of that and still not have as much debris as a couple mags of American Eagle.

 

That's what I'm talking about!

 

I ran 100 rounds of the Syntech MATCH 147gr through my Suppressed Glock 19 last night. I used both my new Thompson Machine Poseidon Mini 9mm Suppresor and my Thompson ISIS-2 Suppressor. They ran flawless with the Glock 19 Factory recoil spring assembly.

 

I ran 100 rounds of the Syntech MATCH 147gr through my Suppressed Glock 19 last night. I used both my new Thompson Machine Poseidon Mini 9mm Suppresor and my Thompson ISIS-2 Suppressor.

How well did the mini suppress compared to the full size?

 

Misfires on Syntech-Catalyst reported on PF but most with very soft springs in Berettas.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?36955-Federal-Syntech-primers-not-igniting-anyone-else

 

The case of Syntech Personal Defense 138gr I ordered showed up. I grabbed a box to test it out. I should have taken a few boxes since there are only 20 rounds in a box. As I mentioned elsewhere, this is a segmenting round. On all the gel tests I see on YouTube, this round performs better than anything else I have seen in 9mm on these kind of tests. The core penetrates 18" after going through denim and gel, the petals scatter about and penetrate 6".

What I also like about it, it is Subsonic! It leave the muzzle at 1050 fps. It will work nicely with my new Suppressors!

I shot a few groups and was very happy with how it performed out of my Wilson X-Tac Carry Comp. I think I may have found a new defensive round. I have noticed that advances in technology and engineering has driven the development of all the excellent 9mm defensive loads that are out there. This Syntech load seems to be the latest development. Who better to do all the research and development of a new defensive round than ATK/Federal. They are a huge ammo manufacturer and have the money to do the research and engineering to advance defensive ammo. So I'm all for the latest and greatest when it comes to ammo.


New Federal Syntech Defense Segementing 138gr 9mm Hollow Point Ammo

 

I'm now three months in exclusively using Federal Syntech in all of my 9mm pistols. Suppressed as well. The results have really been nothing short of outstanding. My guns have also NEVER run cleaner and been easier to maintain! ESPECIALLY THE SUPPRESSED ONES. This ammo is a must if you suppressors. There is nothing else I would use at this point.

I have been taking turns with all my 9mm pistols over the last few weeks. I have been putting about 200 rounds of Syntech per gun to make sure it runs well. I run several of the different Syntech loads through each gun.


Here are some examples from my range sessions the last two days:


My Glock 19 with RMR and Federal Syntech 147 gr Match (it's subsonic) vs Federal AE 124gr Suppressor Ammo. The Suppressor is the Thompson Machine Mini Poseidon 9mm. Amazing little suppressor. Not as quiet as the bigger ones, but it sure eliminates flash, concussion, and recoil while being about half as quite as its larger counterparts. Definitely not hearing safe indoors, but outdoors it is close enough.

Here is the Glock 19 with 8 rounds of 147gr Match on its own at 9 yards. That's 8 shots on that target!

My much beloved ECP with Syntech Range 115gr Yesterday

My new to me WC Stainless Tactical Carry that I picked up last week

One of my favorite guns to run Suppressed because of its excellent tall sights and surprising good DA/SA trigger, my CZ P-07 Suppressor Ready. Though the 115gr range ammo isn't subsonic.

But the 147gr Syntech Match is Subsonic

 

Starting to Play with my 9mm SBRs.

Syntech 147gr MATCH through my CZ Scorpion SBR with the Thompson Machine Poseidon Mini Suppressor

 

One of these days I'm going to have to try powder coated bullets!

 

I’m seeing reports on this ammo that it erodes the breechface of your gun. I would rather have my gun dirty after shooting than part of it damaged.

 

I’m seeing reports on this ammo that it erodes the breechface of your gun.

I’d be interested in hearing more about these reports? Harrish has been shooting a ton of this ammo and I don’t recall that he’s made the same observation. He has some pretty nice pistols, so if the ammo is resulting in premature corrosion of the breach-face, then I’d like to think that he’d eagerly share that information.

 

In the ammo part there’s a guy that posted his first hand knowledge of that ammo. He said that the guns were ruined in like 3K rounds.

 

Post# 11. Do non toxic primers accelerate bore erosion & breechface erosion.

 

^^^Thanks for the info Harrish. I didn’t think you experienced any premature breach-face corrosion issues, or else you would’ve included that in one of your reports and probably scaled back in its use.

 

A few weeks ago I did a detail cleaning of my Wilson Combat X-Tac Elite Carry Comp Compact 9mm. I have since run 700 rounds of ONLY Federal Syntech Ammo; 115 gr RANGE, 124gr MATCH, 150gr ACTION SHOOTING. Other than taking a rag on my pinky and sticking it in the ejection port and wiping whatever I could reach, this gun has not been cleaned or disassembled...until today!

What I saw inside absolutely blew me away. The internals of the gun were not dirty. The bore of the barrel was not dirty.

Below are pictures the internals right after I took the gun apart after 700 rounds of Federal Syntech ammo ONLY. Nothing had been wiped or cleaned in any way.

The Internals

The Slide

The Frame - The shiny areas have grease on them, the dull areas don't. It is not dirt on the dull areas.

Inside the Firing Pin Channel - Looks just like it did when I cleaned it 700 rounds ago.

The is the FIRST pass through the bore with a 9mm RamRodz Bore Swab soaked in Kroil. Normally the first 4 swabs come out completely black with powder and fouling. This first one is barely dirty after 700 rounds! I have never seen anything like that!

The 2nd 9mm Swab - ran through dry. I repeated these two steps once more and was done. They came out clean!

I have NEVER seen a gun anywhere near this clean after 700 rounds! I'm sold on the Syntech. it's all I'm shooting from now on.

Here are some groups from my last range session

Syntech 115gr RANGE AMMO

Syntech 124gr MATCH AMMO

Syntech 138gr DEFENSE AMMO