You seem to be doing an excellent job of posting the facts.

 

There is also the third Talo version.

It has Talo etchings: "1 of 50" and "Semper Fi" (in red)

It also comes with 2 Wilson Combat 7-Tound magazines.

It's my understanding that all 50 Talo guns have the USMC rollmark.
I know that #48 does, so it makes sense that all of them do.

All are "Blue Box" production versions.

 

I still need a clarification on what is the:

-custom shop gun
-production civilian version (not custom shop)
-"marine gun," the one Colt auctions off on gunpoker from time to time

The custom shop gun is clear enough.

But then there are the civilian blue box guns that haven't been fitted, are these the same as the TALO minus the "Semper Fi" stamp, and are they different from the actual guns being shipped to the USMC.

Also why doesn't Colt just make a non USMC version of this gun and call it the Rail Gun mk 2.0. The prices for these things are absurd on the interwebs, and while I like the form and function of these guns I'm not thrilled about shelling out SACS Pro money for one, especially if some jackwagon is selling a blue box gun at green box prices.

 

See it does not matter what you post as a "sticky" -- still have those that will not understand.

 

There are 3 models, 2 roll marks.

O1070CQB - Custom shop, hand fit, green case.

O1070M45- Blue box, assembly line gun

O1070M45SF- Talo gun, blue box, engraved.


Forget all the noise about the blue box guns. Barrel hood this, issued gun that. It's just noise. All you need to know is that M45's are production guns, Marines get them sometimes and CQB's are custom shop guns.

It's so not complicated.

 

This should be the first and only post in this thread.

Not that anybody will read the sticky, so we will still see biweekly threads.

 

I've been doing a ton of research on the subject of the Colt CQBP and found this prototype photo on Military times' website dated 7-20-2012. I thought it worthy of this thread. Notice the prototype shows the Colt rail gun slide, short trigger, weaver style rail, black stamp UID and smaller grip screws.

There may be other exterior design differences to the CQBP currently in production, but this is all I notice other than the newer frame is much heavier and thicker looking especially forward of the trigger guard. I'll gladly post the link to the article if it is allowed by this forum.

 

Good info for all that keep talking about the slide cracking issues. You can clearly see the slide & frame differences from the original rail gun.

 

Another fact worthy of being mentioned is that all Custom Shop Marine guns will have the proof stamp on the trigger guard and there will also be a 3,7 or 9 stamped either on the trigger guard or under the grips. There will also be CCS stamped under the grip too. The same applies to all guns built in the Custom Shop.

 

If you check the 1911 forum on AR 15.com, they have a in depth discussion on the frame cracking issues during the trials and the changes made by Colt.

 

Got a link? Can't believe there's an in depth discussion about anything on ARF.com

 

custom2, thanks for the information on the Colt Custom Shop markings. Good stuff to know.

 

I Have a few they are nice shooters

 

Anyone one have a pic showing the diff between a regular barrel & bushing , VS an "oversized" barrel / bushing on these CQBP?

 

Same bushing on both guns. You won't see the difference on the barrels by looking at them except for files marks on the upper lugs and even lines on the slide stop showing good, hand fit barrel lock up on the CQB.

Visually, they look the same.

 

How normal is it for there to be slight imperfections/small bumps in the Cerakote on these guns:

 

Jonnylaw, mine has none. In fact it's finish is much nicer up close and in person than it appeared in the ad when I bid on it. I have noticed a few similar cerakote "imperfections" in some photos which are scattered over various websites on the net.

 

Great guns, as much as I love reading the same CQB info over and over this sticky is probably a good idea. Here is my CQBP with a commercial RG I sent in for the dual recoil spring and hand fit barrel.

 

The rest of the finish is quite nice and smooth..it's just a few small bumps/non uniformity on one thumb safety and grip safety

 

TO YGBSM and all other CQBP fans,

In an attempt to keep this awesome informational thread going, I thought I'd add some pictures of my CQBP that I took when returning home from the range a few weeks ago. This was my first time shooting the pistol after picking it up from the gun shop.

I posted these pictures in my own thread but I believe they belong in this sticky.

Enjoy shooting and learning about your CQBP's everybody!!!

 

Here's a few more...

 

Do you order the Custom Shop CQBP direct through the custom shop or a dealer?

 

...not sure about the custom shop, but I found out through this forum that whenever there was a lead posted by a member that a certain gun shop had one for sale, and then following the lead, I would find they were quickly sold.

Gun broker always has a half dozen or so listed. Yes, most are way over priced in my opinion, but if you search diligently as I did you'll most likely find one for a fair market price.

I'm thrilled to own mine and hope that you find yours too!

 

Started a new thread.. sry for errant post

 

In all of the pics of the parts breakdown, what are all of the "S" stamps for? How about the "PM" on the barrel lug? What is the meaning of the "V" and the Number 7 on the trigger guard? Thanks.

 

S is for stainless steel. PM on the barrel means that it's been proofed or mag particle inspected. The V shaped symbol means it's been test fired and the 7 is the builder's stamp.

 

Very good! Thank you.

 

Any clue on total civilian "USMC" roll marked pistols produced? Maybe I've missed it in a thread somewhere else.

Jeremy

 

It's been said they produce around 80 a month so 80 a month for about 2 years. Whatever that figure is would be my guess. Brent would probably be the one who would be able to give the most accurate estimation.

 

That's what I thought but only for a year and a few months not 2 years. There is an auction on GB purporting that 5000 were produced. I think that is a gross exaggeration. I think that only about 1,200 to 1,360 were produced but that is just a guess-timation. Hopefully someone can come forward with some hard data. It would be good for the record.

Jeremy

 

Split the difference

18 months at 80 a month is 1440. Who knows if that is anywhere near accurate but 5000 is highly exaggerated like you said.

 

Just as a reference point, my CQBP is 06044EGA and has the USMC rollmark. It was made in September 2013. I think the confusion (5000+ civilian guns with USMC rollmark) comes because both the military contract guns and the civilian guns use the same serial numbering system. So, just because mine was the 6,044 one produced with the USMC rollmark doesn't mean that 6,044 civilian guns were made- there were a lot of military guns thrown in the mix as well.

I think the rollmark changed from USMC to M45A1 in April 2014.

 

Time for an update.

 

Does anyone know the weight of the two recoil springs in the M45? In the Delta, my understanding is the inside spring is 7lbs and the outside spring 16lbs for a combined weight of 23lbs. If Colt uses the same inner spring for the M45 , would the outer spring be 11-12lbs ? Thanks.
Joe

 

Who said the Marine gun uses the same inner spring as a Delta?