[Mozark]

The answer was clear, and since Springfield Armory will not answer that question, somebody asked them direct. On another forum. All they would say is the get their forged frames and slides from a US company. And we know that US company to be, Tisas USA. And we know Tisas USA does not have a forge, so they are made by Tisas, shipped to the Tisas USA facility and them supplied to Springfield Armory.

And we know that US company to be, Tisas USA.

Cite your evidence.
When I called them and asked about the Garrison, specifically and directly, they said they were forged in the USA.

Here’s a link to the thread I believe you are referring to.

https://www.1911forum.com/posts/13845372/

A direct quote from the US TISAS rep in the same thread:
“Tisas USA relationship with SA goes as far as the candy jar they keep on the table at trade shows and the jolly ranchers I swipe from it.”

https://www.1911forum.com/posts/13846366/

 

[L. Boscoe]

Have two, a 45 and 38 super both run hp's with no issues. Better trigger than Gold Cup.

 

[sablelieger]

My Raider has been 100% reliable OOB with Wilson Combat, CMC and USGI mags, using 230gr hardball.

 

[Ranger4]

Cu

Cite your evidence.
When I called them and asked about the Garrison, specifically and directly, they said they were forged in the USA.

Here’s a link to the thread I believe you are referring to.

https://www.1911forum.com/posts/13845372/

A direct quote from the US TISAS rep in the same thread:
“Tisas USA relationship with SA goes as far as the candy jar they keep on the table at trade shows and the jolly ranchers I swipe from it.”

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Cite my evidence. Really, you did not print the exact quote. Nobody is saying there was a direct contract at that time with Tisas USA, they were a brand new company, the statement specifically made in that quote was that the allegation that Tisas forged frames and slides would have to be addressed with the mother company, Tisa Tarbazon, exactly what I asked and what the article about the highpowers and others were saying. And to be clear, here is the real quote from the Tisas USA rep who now refuses to answer on this forum. He is put in a hard spot, if Springfield wants to keep it secret, he could lose his job if he discloses any contract between the mother company and Springfield. It does seem he is being not straightforward and probably why he disappeared from the forum. But words have meaning and meaning must be taken in context. Here is what he actually said:
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#245·Oct 20, 2023

Ranger4 said:
I think you confirmed that Tisas was the supplier of forged frames to Springfield Armory for all of their versions of the Highpower Clone, the SA 35 but was not sure if you confirmed that the Garrison frames were forged by Tisas?

I also read from the NRA that all of the custom Highpowers built by Cylinder and Slide are built by Tissa on the BR9 platorm. Certainly a testament to Tisas quality. I was also made aware that Tisas is the only company on the planet that forges the Highpower stainless frame, certainly a testament to the forge.

So Tisas forge supplies at the frames and slides for the Cylinder and Slide custom Highpower and the Springfield Armory SA 35 standard version of the Highpower. Who else is building custom guns on the Tisas forged 1911 and Highpower frames and slides?

Inquiring minds want to know. Also, is the stainless BR9 still in normal production? I am showing them sold out where I have looked.

Thanks for the update.
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I did not. Tisas USA/SDS Imports is the sole importer of Tisas firearms to the US market. While Tisas Trabzon does have products that not available in the US... This is mainly due to import restrictions, contractual obligations to other global markets or our lack of interest in them. You would have to reach out to them directly for information regarding those matters. Tisas USA relationship with SA goes as far as the candy jar they keep on the table at trade shows and the jolly ranchers I swipe from it.
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That is crystal clear because we know that parts can be imported, guns assembled in the US and they will bear the made in the USA label.

He is clearly on record stating that the new Tisas USA is importing and selling the Tisas branded guns, but if you want to know about the Tisas slides and frames...You would have to reach out to them directly for information regarding those matters....and that is exactly what he said. He would not answer the question. He did not say he did not know the answer, he said you would have to ask "them".
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All of this was hashed out many times, so I will not go back there. But the point is you asked the USA Tisas Rep straight up and he refused to give you an answer, he strung you along, pretty easy, seems to me. I spent much of my adult life as an investigator, in fact I taught Basic and Advanced Interrogation to military and federal investigators.

When you were given that statement, we get parts from many places, I would have demanded he name them. I think you said you had bought a Ronin, the very least he could a have done is named the forge where the Ronin was supposedly forged. Simple deal.

When you confronted him he had changed his story. Before he said Tisas Turkey had many pre-existing contracts and any answers would have to come from them. But when you called him he suddenly knew there were many places in the US. I would have to call BS on that. How many places in the US actually forge 1911 frames and slides?

That said, if you believe your gun was forged in some secret forge in the US and are happy with it, that is all that matters. I just do not trust any company when their rep weasels out of a straight up question.

And while I do not think I was not a part of the thread on the Springfield Armory debacle about forget frames on their Highpower, which also bought forged frames from Tisas, I do recall that the moderator closed that thread. But in doing so he reminded us, that the two guys running Springfield Amory were crooks. It read like this"

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So, I will end it there. This last thread was on bashing the Springfield Armory SA 35, what I believe to be the Tisas forge frame and slide. Except, Tisas did not have all of the complaints of their finished pistols, which is the point..The Tisas version that hit the street had very few complaints from the reviews I saw.

So, given the secrecy games, the fact that both the father and son were convicted of bribery and their attempts to drive small FFLs out of the business in Illinois, who would I prefer to they the gun from? Somebody in Turkey or this company? Tisas Really? Sure, I trust their quality.
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And that is why I will never buy a Springfield Armory product. I would buy a Tisas in a heartbeat. I do not actually trust the Tisas rep because of the game playing but the reviews on the gun have been as good as any in the 1911 market.

So, I am done, nothing to be gained by further discussion. People believe what they believe and that is fine. over and out.

 

[Mozark]

Cu


Cite my evidence. Really, you did not print the exact quote. Nobody is saying there was a direct contract at that time with Tisas USA, they were a brand new company, the statement specifically made in that quote was that the allegation that Tisas forged frames and slides would have to be addressed with the mother company, Tisa Tarbazon, exactly what I asked and what the article about the highpowers and others were saying. And to be clear, here is the real quote from the Tisas USA rep who now refuses to answer on this forum. He is put in a hard spot, if Springfield wants to keep it secret, he could lose his job if he discloses any contract between the mother company and Springfield. It does seem he is being not straightforward and probably why he disappeared from the forum. But words have meaning and meaning must be taken in context. Here is what he actually said:
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Tisas USA
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#245·Oct 20, 2023


I did not. Tisas USA/SDS Imports is the sole importer of Tisas firearms to the US market. While Tisas Trabzon does have products that not available in the US... This is mainly due to import restrictions, contractual obligations to other global markets or our lack of interest in them. You would have to reach out to them directly for information regarding those matters. Tisas USA relationship with SA goes as far as the candy jar they keep on the table at trade shows and the jolly ranchers I swipe from it.
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That is crystal clear because we know that parts can be imported, guns assembled in the US and they will bear the made in the USA label.

He is clearly on record stating that the new Tisas USA is importing and selling the Tisas branded guns, but if you want to know about the Tisas slides and frames...You would have to reach out to them directly for information regarding those matters....and that is exactly what he said. He would not answer the question. He did not say he did not know the answer, he said you would have to ask "them".
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All of this was hashed out many times, so I will not go back there. But the point is you asked the USA Tisas Rep straight up and he refused to give you an answer, he strung you along, pretty easy, seems to me. I spent much of my adult life as an investigator, in fact I taught Basic and Advanced Interrogation to military and federal investigators.

When you were given that statement, we get parts from many places, I would have demanded he name them. I think you said you had bought a Ronin, the very least he could a have done is named the forge where the Ronin was supposedly forged. Simple deal.

When you confronted him he had changed his story. Before he said Tisas Turkey had many pre-existing contracts and any answers would have to come from them. But when you called him he suddenly knew there were many places in the US. I would have to call BS on that. How many places in the US actually forge 1911 frames and slides?

That said, if you believe your gun was forged in some secret forge in the US and are happy with it, that is all that matters. I just do not trust any company when their rep weasels out of a straight up question.

And while I do not think I was not a part of the thread on the Springfield Armory debacle about forget frames on their Highpower, which also bought forged frames from Tisas, I do recall that the moderator closed that thread. But in doing so he reminded us, that the two guys running Springfield Amory were crooks. It read like this"

"""""

So, I will end it there. This last thread was on bashing the Springfield Armory SA 35, what I believe to be the Tisas forge frame and slide. Except, Tisas did not have all of the complaints of their finished pistols, which is the point..The Tisas version that hit the street had very few complaints from the reviews I saw.

So, given the secrecy games, the fact that both the father and son were convicted of bribery and their attempts to drive small FFLs out of the business in Illinois, who would I prefer to they the gun from? Somebody in Turkey or this company? Tisas Really? Sure, I trust their quality.
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And that is why I will never buy a Springfield Armory product. I would buy a Tisas in a heartbeat. I do not actually trust the Tisas rep because of the game playing but the reviews on the gun have been as good as any in the 1911 market.

So, I am done, nothing to be gained by further discussion. People believe what they believe and that is fine. over and out.

I never asked nor argued about any USA forged frame and slide other than the Garrison.
That is the only model I was interested in, and the one I dug into and the one I bought.
You never provided any evidence that the Springfield reps were lying to me in those phone calls when they stated multiple times in multiple calls that the Garrison frames and slides were 100% sourced from US manufactured forgings.
You are the one that brought all of the details up again here for a rehash.
I simply responded to what you posted in this thread.

You have a sore spot with Springfield for your own reasons, some surely reasonable. But attempting to convince everyone that Springfield Garrison frames and/or slides are forged by TISAS is just a Silly inaccurate byproduct of your bias.

 

[Mozark]

The answer was clear, and since Springfield Armory will not answer that question, somebody asked them direct. On another forum. All they would say is the get their forged frames and slides from a US company. And we know that US company to be, Tisas USA. And we know Tisas USA does not have a forge, so they are made by Tisas, shipped to the Tisas USA facility and them supplied to Springfield Armory.

This is the part I take issue with in reference to the source for the Garrison Frames and Slides.
None of that highlighted part is true unless SA is lying about the Garrison.
And you have not given evidence that any of “We Know” that TISAS forges the Garrison Frame and Slide.

All of those other Springfield issues are an entirely different matter. My dog isn’t in those fights.

 

[Andylate]

Maybe hash out Springfield Armory stuff in the Springfield Armory section? https://www.1911forum.com/forums/springfield-armory.29/

 

[MikeFlorida]

Back on the topic. I am a humble target shooter. I have several Tisas products; the oldest is a Browning HiPower clone. Works fine.

I more recently bought a 9mm Tisas Commander style 1911. I sometimes carry it. The pistol works fine with either Mec-Gar magazines or Wilson Combat mags. No mods, not even the grips ... Clean and lube as with any other product and it has worked fine. I can't say that firing it in the future will not result in a failure. I do not fire 50,000 rounds through it. The gun is part of my 9mm rotation and gets fired upon reaching its turn usually 50-60 rounds per session.

When looking at the fit and finish, the Tisas makes me want to sell off other inexpensive 1911 pistols. The only complaint I have is due to my vision, as I may have to change the front sight height, but that is me and not the gun.

Mike Florida

 

[LeonCarr]

Tisas Stakeout than has been 100% reliable out of the box since day one. Good 1911s.

 

[63Busman]

Who has a Tisas 1911 that is reliable with no modifications, tuning, return to the mothership, etc?

The posts here in the Tisas forum unfortunately reflect my Stakeout experience, but people normally post in any gun forum to report issues or show off mods. Its boring to post "My Tisas has been perfect since day 1 and now has 10,000 round with zero malfunctions.

Own up, y'all - whose Tisas has been trouble free?

Andy

I have 2 - 9mm and a .45 both GI style and have never had an issue with them. Having said that, I don't like shooting the 9mm as much. Just doesn't feel quite right to me. I much prefer shooting my WW2 Remington Rand that my Grandfather blinged out with chrome and stag grips. I alo have a Girsan Untouchable compact in 9mm that I have yet to shoot. Pretty sure it'll do just fine as a range toy.
Andy

 

[Doubs43]

Tisas Stakeout than has been 100% reliable out of the box since day one. Good 1911s.

That's good to know although you don't mention the caliber your Stakeout is chambered for. I took delivery this past Monday of a new Stakeout combination 9mm/38 Super. So far I'm impressed. It seems to be very well made.

With the 38 Super barrel installed, dummy rounds hand cycle through it nicely. A laser bore sighting tool shows the sights to be on although I won't know for sure until I actually shoot it. The trigger breaks on average after 5 pulls at 4 pounds, 1 ounce.

It's been wiped down and lubed. Now I just need to get it to the range. Much too hot here at the moment so it'll have to wait a bit.

 

[bonnylujim83]

I don’t know, I bought one of their $500 bobtail commanders in 45 and had nothing but trouble from the very beginning. It would not feed any of my reloads, semi wad cutters, round nose, or jackets. It would work sometimes with factory ball ,no always. I junked it for 300 bucks .

 

[Jwacp]

Who has a Tisas 1911 that is reliable with no modifications, tuning, return to the mothership, etc?

The posts here in the Tisas forum unfortunately reflect my Stakeout experience, but people normally post in any gun forum to report issues or show off mods. Its boring to post "My Tisas has been perfect since day 1 and now has 10,000 round with zero malfunctions.

Own up, y'all - whose Tisas has been trouble free?

Andy

The first Tisas I bought was the Service 5” 1911 at a whooping $329. The bottom of the extractor hook was was somewhat sharp and had a few hang up coming up under. I polished it a little and has worked fine ever since. Then I got a Tank Commander and recently got the Nightstalker in 10 mm. All have ran fine with any ammo I put through them. I am a handloader and HPs you have to find the right OAL. I was so pleased with the first one I was like get em while you can.

 

[JBabcock]

I wish I would have bought one of the Match pistols when they were available. Probably can still find one, but I’ve a hankering for a DW Valor. I’ll wait till after my daughters wedding.

I’ve also thought about buying the Buds Tisas Special and completely reworking the insides. With all Wilson Combat Bullet proof parts. I’m a big fan of Tisas 1911’s and if I’m not buying at the top of the line production pistols, ie TRP or DW, I won’t buy anything else.

 

[rexell1951]

I have two Tisas, one a D10, 10mm, 1911, the other a DS 9mm Carry 1911. The D10 was the first one I had the pleasure of seeing and fingerprinting. It has functioned flawlessly out of the box. I have lost count of the rounds put through it, but I know I have qualified with it for the last two years to maintain my Retired LEO carry. The DS 9mm is the Commander size. I know I have run in excess of 500 rounds through it without a single problem. I like them so much I have given considerable thought about adding at least one more to my inventory, possibly two.

 

[bnucci24]

I don’t know, I bought one of their $500 bobtail commanders in 45 and had nothing but trouble from the very beginning. It would not feed any of my reloads, semi wad cutters, round nose, or jackets. It would work sometimes with factory ball ,no always. I junked it for 300 bucks .

My Tisas tank commander 45 FTF with 230 grain round nose at least once per 100 rounds regardless of mags of which I have a mix of WCombat and factory. The rounds just never slide fully under the extractor. I think the extractor is soft metal as it appears beat up. I have pulled it and cleaned it as well as checking the tolerances other than deflection. It's a range only pistol as is my Taurus th45 that fails to strip rounds on occasion, I think the double stack mags are not feeding quickly based on manually feeding them and they just don't pop up despite disassembly and leaving full for a week. 4-500 rounds thru the Tisas.
Bottom line- I don't trust any 45 that's a low cost one now.
Warranty- haven't tried Tisas but should, Taurus doesn't answer phones or email so far and their warranty registration page is broken for the last 5 years.
I've never owned 45 before. I may try the overpriced Sig next.
Stay safe

 

[Jwacp]

My Tisas tank commander 45 FTF with 230 grain round nose at least once per 100 rounds regardless of mags of which I have a mix of WCombat and factory. The rounds just never slide fully under the extractor. I think the extractor is soft metal as it appears beat up. I have pulled it and cleaned it as well as checking the tolerances other than deflection. It's a range only pistol as is my Taurus th45 that fails to strip rounds on occasion, I think the double stack mags are not feeding quickly based on manually feeding them and they just don't pop up despite disassembly and leaving full for a week. 4-500 rounds thru the Tisas.
Bottom line- I don't trust any 45 that's a low cost one now.
Warranty- haven't tried Tisas but should, Taurus doesn't answer phones or email so far and their warranty registration page is broken for the last 5 years.
I've never owned 45 before. I may try the overpriced Sig next.
Stay safe

The extractor shouldn’t be that soft as in itself is a spring. You could have gotten a bad one. It’s easy enough to check the tension and replace it if needed. Not saying you have done this but a friend and I were shooting and he had a RIA 1911 in .45 and he was dropping a round in the chamber and letting the slide go forward then inserting the mag. I had to explain to him why this is not a good thing. First it’s like dropping the slide without a magazine with no rounds in it, second is the extractor is not meant to be snapped over a cartridge. That practice will mess up the extractor and not do anything good for the pistol in general.

 

[Doubs43]

The extractor shouldn’t be that soft as in itself is a spring. You could have gotten a bad one. It’s easy enough to check the tension and replace it if needed. Not saying you have done this but a friend and I were shooting and he had a RIA 1911 in .45 and he was dropping a round in the chamber and letting the slide go forward then inserting the mag. I had to explain to him why this is not a good thing. First it’s like dropping the slide without a magazine with no rounds in it, second is the extractor is not meant to be snapped over a cartridge. That practice will mess up the extractor and not do anything good for the pistol in general.

You did your friend a favor and I hope he listened. Eventually he would have broken the extractor. That, of course, applies to those with an internal extractor and not those with an external extractor that can override a cartridge rim without damage.

 

[bnucci24]

The extractor shouldn’t be that soft as in itself is a spring. You could have gotten a bad one. It’s easy enough to check the tension and replace it if needed. Not saying you have done this but a friend and I were shooting and he had a RIA 1911 in .45 and he was dropping a round in the chamber and letting the slide go forward then inserting the mag. I had to explain to him why this is not a good thing. First it’s like dropping the slide without a magazine with no rounds in it, second is the extractor is not meant to be snapped over a cartridge. That practice will mess up the extractor and not do anything good for the pistol in general.

Thanks for the good info and reply! I haven't dropped the slide empty too often and usually slide it closed manually. No pre loading rounds either. I will order up a new WC extractor and see if I can fit it or get a gunsmith to swap it out and take a look for me. Last time I used a local smith they held my pistol for 7 weeks to swap out an internal mag/slide removal safety thing and did nothing. Took 30 minutes to knock out a roll pin and swap the piece at home. So I need to find a competent gs is the point and not all are good I guess. Stay safe and thank you

 

[millerj3w]

It's abundantly clear, with their new factory and state of the art machining centers, Tisas is building some of the best factory mass produced 1911 pistols available so far in this century. There's a good reason why the CMP has chosen Tisas over Springfield or Dan Wesson.

I have no doubt that Tisas makes some good guns but to choose Tisas over Dan Wesson?, Come on man get real. Have you ever examined, handled or shot a Dan Wesson?