Clearly, what must have been a ’holy sh*t’ moment for the officers involved.
Anything might be possible. But, where are HPD officer’s carbines/ARs?
Seems like they were out gunned from the get go.

 

First, to most people a "magazine dump" means rapidly emptying a magazine by shooting it until it's empty. What the video shows is a gun that cannot retain a magazine in the well . The magazine catch appears to be defective or the officer is pressing the release. Can anyone ID the gun?

 

Looks like a Sig 320.
Big man. Strong hands. Mag release..

 

Wow that is quite a situation!

Mag likely was not fully seated or stress grip was depressing the release? Full capacity is not always "reloadable" with slide forward. One less round makes room. I've experienced the embarrassment after the beep when you hear that CLICK and the mag falls to the ground in front of you. 😳
Thank God no one was shooting at me!

I admire the bravery of the cop with the mag retention failure surging forward.
Kind of looks like an STI/SVI, but could be a 320.

 

That kind of situation calls for rifles. Why they didn’t grab those is beyond my line of thinking.

 

Mag drops out after several shots each time so it is not a case of mal-seated magazine.
Don't think it is lack of training, the officers handles it like very well.
Either a defective mag catch, aftermarket extended mag catch (I sure hope not), or inadvertent activation of a mag release button with support hand.
The gun is SIG P320.
This is one of two aspects in which a paddle mag release, now pretty much limited to HK guns, has an advantage. It is near damn impossible to activate if a gun is in a normal firing grip.

 

Bad parts. But never seen doing practice on a range? Odd.

 

Think and say what you will, and my thoughts are leaning towards a weapon malfunction, but that officer had a goal in his mind. He went into that fight to win it no matter what, and it's pretty obvious to me he relied on confidence in his training to keep moving forward.

 

THAT looks stressful. I wish they'd had ARs. It didn't look like they were worried about the backdrop. Houston is turning into Ukraine.

 

I think it's probably inadvertent activation from squeezing the heck out of the gun in a stressful situation.

Patrick E. Kelley frequently inadvertently presses his mag release with his support hand - he's a lefty - because of his long fingers in some of his "Out of the Box to Match" videos.

Here he is with a Beretta PX4. The first drop is around the 2:25 mark.

 

I think it's probably inadvertent activation from squeezing the heck out of the gun in a stressful situation.

I'd say most likely shooter error. He accidentally hit the mag release during recoil.

... his training is causing him to grip it in an unorthodox fashion.

... the officer was accidentally pressing it.

Heat of the moment and an improper grip, putting his strong side thumb over his weak side thumb, which pushes the weak side thumb into the magazine release. When the gun recoils, his weak side thumb pushes the release enough to disengage the magazine. A better grip is to reverse thumb positions, putting the weak side over the strong side. There is still a possibility of hitting the release with the strong side thumb, but less so.

The absolute best hand position is to wrap the weak side thumb under the trigger guard, and lay the strong side thumb over the lower part of the weak side thumb. It keeps both thumbs away from the magazine release, but gives a strong two-handed grip.

Take your 1911 and try the different positions and see where your thumbs end up.

 

REPORT THIS TO THE BATMEN - THEY LIVE FOR UNINTENDED FIREARM MALFUNCTIONS!!!! 🤪

 

I'd say most likely shooter error. He accidentally hit the mag release during recoil. I doubt it's a case of a modified gun, flaw in the gun design, or even a bad/worn out part. He probably just put his support hand in a bad spot in a panic moment.

I've done it with my M&P on the range. The support thumb can get close enough to the mag release that it'll get pressed during recoil. Small adjustment in grip style prevents it from happening, but things aren't always as smooth on the 2 way range as they are on the 1 way range.

 

I have never ever seen anyone do that with a 1911 3 times in a row with 3 different magazines. Clearly there is a problem with that pistol - or his training is causing him to grip it in an unorthodox fashion. He is certainly to be commended for his drive but if his weapon is defective it should never have gotten to this point. The magazine should never release unless you intentionally make that happen.

 

I have neveer ever seen anyone do that with a 1911 3 times in a row with 3 different magazines.

The gun is SIG P320.

 

I think the correct term is a "magazine drop", not magazine dump.

The gun appears to be a SIG P320, and considering the fact that the magazine keeps falling out either the mag catch is defective, or (more likely) the officer was grabbing the pistol in a way that he was putting pressure on the release button.

Recently I bought a Beretta 92X RDO, and at the range I found myself pressing on the extended mag catch button during draws. I quickly remedied that by replacing it with a standard 92FS release.

 

I didn't hear full auto fire, just a fast trigger finger and possibly some bump-firing, but you would have to be a very cool cucumber to resort to bump-fire as the shooter/criminal. Sounded like an AK-type to me. Police better have automatic carbines these days because it getting worse out there.

 

This incident was reported here on this forum back in January:

Wild shootout in Houston, 3 officers shot

Watch the video of the actual shootout and see how accuracy goes all to hell when you're actually being shot at. Lots of rounds fired, apparently with few connecting although the perp apparently kept his cool better than the cops did and managed to wing three of them. It'll be interesting to...

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It was later revealed that the perp had one of those now-infamous full-auto "giggle switches" on his Glock.

 

I installed an extended mag release on my block17.
Went to a shooting match, drew the pistol and had a premature ejection.😁

 

I would agree with the others in that the pistol’s magazine catch is defective or the officer was accidentally pressing it.

 

A running gunfight on a residential street...holy smokes. Imagine the possibility for stray rounds....

There are always talks about 'overpenetration', and I think videos like this make those pretty much irrelevant; bystanders are FAR more likely to get hurt by misses than pass-throughs.

Larry

 

There are always talks about 'overpenetration', and I think videos like this make those pretty much irrelevant; bystanders are FAR more likely to get hurt by misses than pass-throughs.

Larry

Kyle Rittenhouse on a crowded street, during a riot, with a rifle, shooting at odd angles, and no over-penetration hits on bystanders.

 

This is one of the reasons I chuckle at guys who INSIST on have an extended magazine release button. You really don't want it to be that easy to release your magazine. The same thing applies to extended slide stops. The original controls designed by John Browning work just fine. I used to compete with race guns with all manner of extended parts to shave a hundredth of a second of a second off my time. All of my 1911s today have GI controls. In a match these things can help you win. On the street - well, you've seen what can happen on the street.

 

Sympathies Oldfut. You got me smiling there.

 

"imagine the possibiliity of stray rounds." It's not a "possibility" - it's an extremely high probabilty and it happens every time you have that many shooters emptying their guns as fast as they can. If everyone is performing "Bill drills" and combat reloads the neighborhood is gonna get heavily sprayed even if the perp never gets hit and most likely cops will get hit by other cops. So you must ask if it's better to let the perp escape - or shoot a lot of innocent citizens? That's a tough call to make.

 

We don't know if anyone was shooting at him or not. But when a threat came to him he dealt with it quickly.

 

My Ruger SR1911 LWC came with an extended mag release to go with the thin grips. Never had a problem when shooting, but did have a loose mag when carrying when the release was somehow bumped, leaving me with a single shot had I needed to defend myself. I like the thin grips, so I swapped out the extended mag release for a standard.

 

He very well may have transitioned from a different duty gun, and whatever grip he was using before on the old gun did not carry over well to the way he was holding and using the Sig.

I would personally be inclined to think what I noted was more likely than were bad parts, especially if it was an unmodified gun.

 

They were chasing a bad guy. When they rounded the corner, the BG had wrecked out.
They just were just barely able to stop when the BG unloaded on them in full auto with a Glock switch.

Both LEO's bailed and ran for cover.
The body cam you're watching is from the LEO who was passenger.
He had all the protection a chain link fence can offer.

They are both lucky to survive.
As far as the mag drop, who knows what all was going through his mind or what malfunction (human or mechanical) was had.
He recovered quickly and chased the BG.

Brave guy.